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Welcome to “Terms of Service,” the podcast that dives deep into the fine print of our digital lives. Every time we check the box on an app, website, or online service, we’re making choices—often without knowing the full story. From giving away our privacy to navigating complex security settings, we’re all part of a digital landscape that’s constantly evolving.


Join us as we unpack the themes that shape our online experiences: privacy, security, safety, and the everyday permissions we grant without a second thought. We’ll explore how AI, agency, and decentralized technologies are reshaping our digital world, often in ways that fly under the radar. And because no conversation about our digital lives would be complete without it, we’ll tackle the legal and policy implications that come with our clicks, swipes, and taps.


Whether you’re tech-savvy or just trying to keep up, “Terms of Service” invites you to join the conversation about the hidden costs of convenience in the digital age. Tune in to explore, question, and rethink the terms we often accept without a second thought, and let’s challenge the norms of our digital lives together.


Credits

Produced by Mary Camacho & Nicole Klau Ibarra. Music and sound production is by Arthur Vincent at Sonorlab.


Behind the Mic


Co-founder of Holochain, and CEO of Holo, Mary leads the development of peer-to-peer and decentralised technologies that empower users and redefine digital interactions. With over 20 years in tech and telecom, her career has been dedicated to enhancing user control, privacy, and digital autonomy.


Mary's educational background as a social scientist grounds the explorations at intersection of sociality and technology, exposing the trade-offs in privacy, security, and agency inherent in our digital choices. On “Terms of Service,” she invites listeners to rethink these everyday interactions and the broader implications of AI, distributed tech, and legal frameworks on our digital lives, advocating for a future where individuals have greater control over their data and decisions.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryfcamacho/


Nicole is a visionary entrepreneur with a diverse background, she is passionate about social system design and has helped multiple ventures, Including the IKIGAI Project, her non-profit helping people build essential 21st-century skills- many of which intersect with the topics discussed in Terms Of Service.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-klau-ibarra-b26818137/



Arthur Vincent is a seasoned Music and Audio Producer with a passion for pushing the boundaries of music technology. As a music producer and sound designer, he has crafted innovative audio experiences for global brands like Heineken, Philips, and Cupra. Alongside his creative work, Arthur is also an expert in audio technology, mastering both hardware and software tools to deliver high-quality, immersive sound.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/arthur-vincent/

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In this episode of Terms of Service, host Mary Camacho speaks with Dr. Sarah Stein Lubrano—author of Don’t Talk About Politics: How to Change 21st Century Minds—about what it takes to think, connect, and persuade in a time of rapid technological and cultural disruption. Drawing from her background in philosophy, psychology, and political theory, Sarah explores how emotions shape our cognition, why curiosity is a democratic virtue, and how design and technology can either open or close off possibilities for shared understanding.

Together, they examine how modern systems—from social media to AI agents—can reduce nuance, flatten emotional range, and reward performance over reflection. This conversation invites us to think more deeply about how we encounter difference—and what it takes to stay open when the world feels overwhelming.

Key Takeaways

Topics Covered / Timestamped Sections

Guest Bio and Links

Dr. Sarah Stein Lubrano – Researcher, educator, and author focused on the psychology of political learning and epistemic humility. She holds a doctorate from Oxford and is the author of Don’t Talk About Politics: How to Change 21st Century Minds.

Resources Mentioned

Further Reading / Related Episodes

Call to Action

How do we create room for real thought—and for each other—in an age of constant noise? Dr. Sarah Stein Lubrano offers a thoughtful and hopeful path forward, grounded in emotion, curiosity, and civic design.

🎧 Listen now: Episode Link

Credits

Host: Mary Camacho

Guest: Dr. Sarah Stein Lubrano

Produced by Terms of Service Podcast

Sound Design: Arthur Vincent and Sonor Lab

Co-Producers: Nicole Klau Ibarra & Mary Camacho

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